In what would turn out to be a very explosive and exclusive interview, with both James Fetzer & John Lear. This is a must watch, both James & John both clash momentary, completely entertaining to listen to both personalities. John is the son of William P. Lear, designer of the Lear Jet executive aircraft, the 8-track stereo, and founder of Lear Inc. (now Lear-Siegler Corp., a large defense contractor). He wrote extensively about airplanes and other subjects and was Middle East correspondent for “Combat Illustrated” between 1975 and 1977 while stationed in Lebanon with a cargo airline. Mr. Lear retired in 2001, having flown over 150 different types of aircraft and as an airline pilot, having flown over 19,500 hours in 60 countries for 25 different airlines. ”There are stories that California and Nevada sit on a shelf underneath which lies an eastern portion of the Pacific Ocean. Maybe the Pacific Ocean extends under that shelf to Hawthorne, Nevada, (and even further?).